College student put on academic probation for using Grammarly: ‘AI violation’
College student put on academic probation for using Grammarly: ‘AI violation’
Marley Stevens, a junior at the University of North Georgia, says she was wrongly accused of cheating and it could happen to anyone.
College student put on academic probation for using Grammarly: ‘AI violation’::Marley Stevens, a junior at the University of North Georgia, says she was wrongly accused of cheating.
Simple solution. Ask the student to talk about their paper. If they know the subject matter, the point of the assignment is meant.
This is the right answer. No tool can detect AI generated content with zero false positives, but someone using AI to cheat won't actually know the subject matter.
That's great for some people, but would be absolutely horrible for people like me. I usually know the subject matter, but I tend to have problems gettingy thoughts out of my head. So I'd just end up getting double screwed if I were in this situation.
I'm reminded of the lecturer who was accused of being an AI when they sent an email.
Getting the triple-whammy of being accused of using an AI when you didn't, drawing a blank during an oral interview/explanation, and then being penalised like you'd used one anyway, would be hellish.
Yes, which is why I hate job interviews and especially people pretending to be good as interviewers and telling stories how somebody didn't know something elementary. Well, maybe if it's elementary, then the applicant did know that, just your questions confuse people, which makes it mostly your fault (that's not directed to anybody present).
Same. The anxiety kicks in and everything you ever knew leaves your brain in the span of half a second and doesn’t come back until the other person is free and clear of your presence.
turn it in is a fucking content farm anyway. you sign over your rights to them. we should insist schools stop using it.
You sign over rights to your works when you turn them in for grades anyway. The school can do whatever they want with your papers.
this is ridiculous. spell and grammar check tools != AI content generators or plagiarism.
edid: apparently grammarly has changed a lot since i last used it.
Grammarly is a lot more than a spell checker. Here are some screenshots from their marketing page that specifically recommends using their product as a student.
I agree, but also grammarly did get into the ai market. https://www.grammarly.com/ai
oh, really...
I've been at the front of the classroom--using tools like TurnItIn is fine for getting "red flags," but I'd never rely on just tools to give someone a zero.
First, unless you're in a class with a hundred people, the professor would have a general idea as to whether you're putting in effort--are they attentive? Do they ask questions? And an informal talk with the person would likely determine how well they understand the content in the paper. Even for people who can't articulate well, there are questions you can ask that will give you a good feel for whether they wrote it.
I've caught cheaters several times, it's not that hard. Will a few slide through? Yes, but they will regardless of how many stupid AI tools you use. Give the students the benefit of the doubt and put in some effort, lazy profs.
My sister once got a zero because of a 100% match in the system with her own same work uploaded there a few minutes before. It was resolved, but - not very nice emotions.
Same, and discussed with my lecturers.
Especially 1st year business - we use the same text book as the last 10 years (just different versions), where nothing has really changed in the last 30 odd years, using the same template that runs through 600 odd students a year, where nearly every student uses the same easy three references that we used in class.
Its new to you, but no one is going to have an original idea or anything revolutionary in that assessment.
What an awful website
She can just show them the version history in Google Docs.
I remember when grammar and spellcheck tools became available, it was hilarious running well-known texts through them and accepting all the changes.
My masters program told us to use AI all we wanted but just site the use.
Masters... wiring all those citation pages... so what site did you use to generate those?
Seems like the same sort of solution as my school had about Wikipedia which is by all means use it but site the sources not cite the content.
Quite a lot of AI will give you sources that you can check when they are referencing stuff, so just check those references to make sure it's not made things up and then as long as it's fine cite those websites and articles.
My uni has a specific section on using AI - reference it, confirm the points, if any sources aren't cited its still on you.
You may not agree with the policy or the tools used, but the rules were clear, and at this point she has no evidence that she did not use some other Generative AI tool. It’s just her word against another AI that is trained to detect generated material.
What is telling is her reaction to all of this, literally making a national news story because she was flagged as a cheater. I promise if she wasn’t white or attractive NY Post wouldn’t do anything. What a massive self own. Long after she leaves school this story will be the top hit on a google search of her name and she will out herself as a cheater.
You shouldn't put too much stock in these detection tools. Not only do they not work, they flag non-native English speakers for cheating more than native speakers.
And flags anything you've previously submitted, including plans.
they flag non-native English speakers for cheating more than native speakers.
Yes, and for me as a former it's absolutely clear why - because I'm doing the same thing as a generative model, imitating text in another language. Maybe with more practice in verbal communication and being more relaxed I could reduce this probability, but the thing is this is not something which should affect school tests at all.
These are people trying to use a specific kind of tools where it's fundamentally not applicable.
What clear rule did she violate though? Like, Grammerly isn't an AI tool. It's a glorified spell check. And several of her previous professors had recommended it's use.
What she did "wrong" was write something that TurnItIn decided to flag as AI generated, which it's incredibly far from 100% accurate at.
Like, what should she have done differently?
i don't believe she cheated, but i also don't care.
i do think being a conventionally attractive blonde did help her get coverage.
i also want turn it in to die in a fire.
i'm very conflicted about your comment, but i'm not conflicted about this situation at all: stop using turn it in, and put the girl back in school.
i do think being a conventionally attractive blonde did help her get coverage.
No doubts, though conventions are a bit different where I live.
If that puts pressure on something systematic, that'd mean someone's individual attractiveness being good for everybody.
I can make an offline AI say absolutely anything in any way shape or form I would like. It is a tool that improves efficiency in those smart enough to use it. There is nothing about it that is different than what a human can write.
This is as stupid as all of the teachers that used to prevent us from using calculators for math 20 years ago. We should be encouraging everyone to adapt and adopt new technology that improves efficiency, and take on the real task of testing students with intelligent adaptive techniques. It is the antiquated mindset and academia that is the problem. Anyone that can't adapt should be removed. When the student enters the workforce, their use of such efficiency improving tools is critical.
You reminded me of my physics teacher in high school.
I was very into my graphing calculator (TI-86), down to coding in assembly to make silly little games. My previous teacher made me show that the memory was cleared before any test.
But his take? If I wrote a working application with all the formulas necessary to take the tests, then I put in the work to learn the material, and he didn't care. I hadn't done that, because I expected to wipe it, but after that I did and showed it to him (and gave him the code).
Found out he would show off what I made for a few years before retiring, specifically to point out how I did something I found fun to learn.
More teachers/school systems should be like that.
Writing a paper isn't about efficiency, it's about forcing you to synthesize concepts and ideas such that they become more concrete in your mind. It, in itself, is the learning tool. It isn't something to be checked off and chruned through like a widget you make at a factory.
Your comment just sounds like you lack, I don't know, care in regards to learning.
You can't create a relaiable AI to detect AI. Anyone that told you otherwise is selling you snakeoil.
You may not agree with the policy or the tools used, but the rules were clear,
OK, if you'll be consistent and agree that using Taro cards to determine who's cheating is normal, if rules say that.
and at this point she has no evidence that she did not use some other Generative AI tool
Your upbringing lacks in some key regards.
It’s just her word against another AI that is trained to detect generated material.
There are (or should be) allowances for the degree of precision where any tool can be trusted. If it is wrong in 1% of cases - then its use is unacceptable. In 0.1% - acceptable only if she doesn't argue it. In 0.01% something - acceptable with some other good evidence.
I'll help you become a bit less of an ape and inform you that an "AI" (or anything based on machine learning) can't be used as a sole detector of anything at all.